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In this 38th episode of The Birth Geeks Podcast, Hillary talks to Elizabeth M. Johnson about making friends on Twitter and her “When Survivors Give Birth” Training. What’s it like shifting such an intimate training to online teaching, and how is Elizabeth planning to approach that. They also discuss the challenge of implementing Trauma Informed Care research into practice, which as we birth geeks know, is not small. Elizabeth gives some wonderful insight on the comparison between empathy and kindness, and how we need both, but not all the time.

About our guest: Elizabeth M. Johnson, MA is a trauma teacher, consultant and coach. She has worked with abuse survivors for over fifteen years including at three different human services agencies. In those capacities, Elizabeth has coordinated training and education on the topics of: abuse dynamics, lethality assessment, crisis intervention and active listening. Elizabeth is one of seven people worldwide trained by Penny Simkin and Phylis Klaus and certified to use the When Survivors Give Birth name. Elizabeth has also trained as a postpartum doula through DONA and a childbirth educator through Lamaze. Past clients include: Nurse Family Partnership Guilford County, Eastern Carolina University, Lamaze International, La Leche League and Duke University School of Medicine. Elizabeth holds a Masters of Arts degree in Women’s Studies from Southern Connecticut State University. She lives with her family in Durham, North Carolina.

Learn more about Elizabeth @EMJWriting on Instagram, Twitter and Facebook and online at


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